In this episode John McMahon and John Kaplan talk to special guest Doug Holladay, author of 'Rethinking Success,' who returns to the podcast to discuss the illusions of success and the importance of purpose and meaning in life. The discussion covers Doug's career, his work with Path North, and how leaders can find balance and fulfillment. They explore key themes from Doug's book, including building rich human connections, redefining personal identity beyond professional achievements, and integrating purpose into life's pursuits. Through personal anecdotes, the speakers emphasize the significance of vulnerability, authentic relationships, and balanced life goals. Doug also shares insights on various practices that can help individuals achieve a meaningful and purposeful life.